[Guest Blogger] Daniel Pinchbeck: The Mayan Apocalypse

[It is with great pleasure that I present to you a guest post by one of the great progressive thinkers of our time: Daniel Pinchbeck. Please check out breakingopoenthehead.com, The Evolver Project and look for his new book 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl, to be released in April by Viking-Penguin. As always, you are encouraged to comment on this forum regardless of your experience with the subject matter. You could end up learning something. -NP]

The Mayan Apocalypse
Daniel Pinchbeck

Over the past decade, I have engaged in an intellectual and spiritual odyssey that began when I was in my late twenties, in the depths of an existential crisis. At that time I was a journalist whose work had appeared in The New York Times Magazine, Esquire, Wired, among others, and the editor of a New York-based literary magazine, Open City. I was brought up as an atheist in a countercultural milieu – my mother was a novelist, book editor, and former member of the Beat Generation; my father was an abstract painter living in SoHo. I had internalized the modern scientific view of a world lacking a sacred or transcendent dimension – the “universe in ruins” described by Bertrand Russell. Suffering from nihilism, I found that I desperately needed to interrogate my world view, and to see if there were any other options.

The only events in my life that suggested the possibility of other forms of consciousness or other realms of being were my psychedelic journeys on mushrooms and LSD, back in college. I decided to return to psychedelics and systematically study this culturally suppressed and forbidden area. I explored the substances I had known, and learned about many I had never heard of before. I tried ayahuasca, the sacred “medicine” of the Amazon basin, brewed from two jungle plants, in a ceremony in downtown Manhattan. I also took an assignment from a music magazine to go through a tribal initiation in Gabon, on the West African equator, using a psychedelic rootbark, iboga, that sent me on a long trip back through my childhood, also featuring prophetic hints and telepathic views. I wrote about these experiences, and many others, in my first book, Breaking Open the Head: A Psychedelic Journey into the Heart of Contemporary Shamanism, published by Random House, in 2002.

The upshot of my study – which included doing shamanic work with the Mazatec Indians in Mexico and the Secoya tribe in the Ecuadorean Amazon, visiting the Burning Man festival in Nevada, and exploring synthetic compounds invented in the last decades – was that I became convinced, through my experiences, that the shamanic, occult, or mystical worldview was more accurate than the materialist worldview I had inherited. I transferred my allegiances from Freud to Jung, whose acceptance of synchronicity, of archetypes belonging to a collective unconscious, and the “reality of the psyche,” seemed to support the shamanic worldview through the prism of modern depth psychology. Over the course of my research, I encountered extraordinary numbers of synchronicities and various forms of psychic phenomena in which I had no “belief” beforehand. My world view was forced to expand to allow for this new data.

Among the substances I tried was the superpotent fast-acting psychedelic, dimethyltryptamine, known as DMT. DMT was the subject of a 1990s study by Doctor Rick Strassman at the University of New Mexico, the results compiled in his book, DMT: The Spirit Molecule. Strassman noted that DMT was an endogamous chemical in human beings, naturally occurring in our brains (perhaps produced by the pineal gland) and spinal column. Strassman was a Buddhist, and he had noted that Buddhist texts described the soul reincarnating seven weeks after death. The pineal gland appeared in fetal development exactly forty-nine days after conception. Strassman wondered if this was a more than accidental conjunction – if DMT, or some other compound produced by the pineal gland could be the “spirit molecule,” a kind of conductive medium drawing the soul down into the body and releasing it at death. When I smoked DMT, I found that I completely lost contact with this reality, and entered another dimension or realm that seemed fully convincing, yet almost overwhelming in its otherness. The best I could describe this other realm was “Tibetan mandalas meets Disney World in the Twenty-Fifth Century” – it seemed simultaneously geometric, hyper-organic, hyperreal. I had the sensation of much higher levels of consciousness watching over this realm, and inspecting me as I passed through it – the entire trip lasted less than ten minutes. Although DMT is a naturally occurring compound in the human body and in many plants, it was made illegal by the US Government in the late 1960s.

I was left wondering why Western culture found it necessary to drastically repress not only psychedelic chemicals, but the entire worldview of shamanism with its focus on intuitive and magical aspects of reality, represented by the burning of witches in the Inquisition, and the destruction of native traditions during Colonialism. It seemed to me that this suppression masked some deep ontological threat to the modern mind. Since I had validated the precepts of shamanism for myself, I also began to wonder about the prophecies that many indigenous cultures hold about the time we are in right now – from the Hopi Indians of New Mexico, who believe we are on the verge of transitioning from one “world” to another, to the Classical Mayan civilization of the Yucatan, obsessed with time and astronomy, who seemed to predict that the imminently approaching year of 2012 represented a transformational threshold for human consciousness. I began to realize that prophecy was more than specious prediction – as Armin Geertz, a Hopi anthropologist, noted, “Prophecy is a thread in the total fabric of meaning, in the total worldview. In this way it can be seen as a way of life and of being.”

My investigation of prophecy became the core of my new book, 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl, to be released in April by Viking-Penguin. Four years in the making, it synthesizes a vast range of philosophical ideas and approaches, outsider scholarship about the Mayan Calendar, and my own personal investigation of a range of phenomena that fall utterly outside the current mainstream paradigm, including the bizarre narratives of alien abductions, the UK-based evolution of the crop circles over the last thirty years, and the Santo Daime, a Brazilian religion that mixes Christian and indigenous elements and uses ayahuasca as its sacrament. For the book, I absorbed ideas from Carl Jung, Rudolf Steiner, the psychedelic pundit Terence McKenna, and the German philosopher Jean Gebser, author of The Ever-Present Origin, a study of the evolution of consciousness that influenced Ken Wilber and William Irwin Thompson, among others. I also evaluated the recent wave of mystical interpretations of the discoveries of quantum physics, including Fritjof Capra’s The Tao of Physics and books by the Indian physicist Amit Goswami, The Self-Aware Universe and Physics of the Soul.

My perspective also takes the Judeo-Christian tradition into account, especially focusing on the Gnostic Christianity revealed by the “Gospel of Thomas,” discovered in the Naj Hammadi desert in 1945, but potentially dating from the same era as the canonical gospels. Over the last decades, there has been a great wave of interest, in progressive cultural circles, in spirituality and mysticism, but almost entirely of the Eastern and non-Western variety, from Hinduism and yoga to Buddhism, and now shamanism. For people in my secular world, the hardest tradition to examine or assimilate has been our own – partially, this is because of the destructive effects and blood-soaked character of this tradition, which proclaimed Christian values while committing genocide against indigenous populations across the world, and whose missionaries still seek to impose Christianity on tribal and non-Western cultures, even today.

Steiner and Jung gave me access to my own tradition. I consider Jung’s essay, "Answer to Job," one of the most important texts of the Twentieth Century, providing a psychoanalytic portrait of the Western "god-image," Jahweh, as he developed, in a dialectical relationship with his chosen people, the Jews, through the Old and the New Testaments. Jung notes that the Western god-image has been undergoing his own evolution – in the earlier works of the Old Testament, Jahweh often seems to have the personality of a primitive war-lord or despotic king, inciting increased consciousness by inflicting suffering on the Jews. Job is the first human being to recognize that the god-image is not simply beyond judgment and understanding, but contains antinomies, schisms within his own nature, that make him the "dark god" of the unconscious as well as a benevolent life-giving deity. According to Jung, Job’s realization forces a concomitant realization on the part of the god-image; the creator fears the skeptical gaze of his creature, and he is forced to incarnate as Christ, a manifestation of the "good god," as a dialectical compensation for his previous amorality. Jung realized that the incarnation of Christ was preparation – that the god-image intended to incarnate in the collective body of humanity, and that this event was approaching quickly. Jung saw the flying saucer phenomenon of the 1950s as a sign of an imminent transformation in the nature of the psyche.

Jung’s follower Edward Edinger thought we had entered the archetypal frame of the Judeo-Christian Apocalypse, which he interpreted as, essentially, a momentous psychic event – the “coming of the Self” into conscious realization. I agree with this interpretation, which also fits the understanding of the Mayan Calendar developed by the visionary thinker Jose Arguelles (The Mayan Factor) and the Swedish biologist Carl Johan Calleman (The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness). According to Edinger, the “Book of Revelation” is a text of oppositions, suggesting the extraordinarily difficult task facing the Western psyche, of reconciling, and bringing to consciousness, the negative and positive poles of the psyche. He notes that the “Whore of Babylon” in the Book of Revelation drinks the “disgusting filth of her fornication” out of a “golden cup,” which is a symbol of the precious vessel of the higher self. We are being forced to recognize, and assimilate, all of the suppressed contents of the psyche, in order to evolve to a higher state of consciousness – Apocalypse literally means “uncovering” or “revealing.”

The process of Apocalypse involves a realization that Western civilization is founded on a fundamentally flawed conception of time. Through our solar calendars, desynchronized from natural cycles, and our technological projections, we have reified a conception of time as an unvarying linear extension akin to space, in which ultimate fulfillment or completion lies in a far-distant and undefined future condition. We are constantly projecting our hopes, dreams, and desires onto the future – acting as though the present moment is somehow insufficient, founded upon a lack or failure of being. Part of Christ’s mission on the earth was to directly challenge this misconception through his parables and elegant paradoxes. He said, for instance, “The hour is coming, and now is.” Christ spoke and acted from the perspective of what Gebser calls “origin,” the transcendent domain, outside of space and time, given rigorous formulation by quantum physics.

Indigenous groups such as the Hopi or the Australian Aboriginals live in a form of time that is vastly different from our modern conception of it. The Hopi have a “continuum consciousness” in which “all time is present now,” and events follow a pre-set pattern. `For the Aboriginals, there was never a “fall of man” into a degraded state. Every day is the “first day,” the origin point, and the purpose of their rituals and ceremonies is to maintain the perfection of creation.

I consider this revelation of the existence of other orders of time to be one of the great values of the psychedelic experience, as Aldous Huxley described it in his classic work on mescaline, The Doors of Perception: Psychedelics have the potential to act as tremendous deconditioning agents, revealing the numinous and eternal quality of the present moment, scrubbing away the accumulation of mental habits and conditioned responses that keep us wired into a delusory social reality based on perpetual postponement. This may be the main reason they are perceived as a threat – they threaten the value system of mainstream society, not peripherally, but directly and ontologically. They are, as Ralph Metzner noted, “Gnostic catalysts.”

While Christianity is certainly opposed to direct experience of non-ordinary states produced by psychedelic compounds found in plants, it is far less certain that Christ would have shared this perspective. “Open the doors for yourself, so you will know what is,” he proclaims in the “Gospel of Thomas.” I believe that Christ, as a revolutionary Gnostic figure, can be reclaimed for a progressive and contemporary spirituality that does not believe Christ somehow “saved our souls” through the crucifixion. Instead, by acting from the transcendent domain, he provided a model for the selfless action required in an Apocalyptic age. Christ only “saves our souls” if we follow his lead, which requires a tireless engagement with contemporary social and spiritual reality. His “doctrine” is one of immanence instead of transcendence.

Comments

[JR]

Reguarding a previous Anti-Jesus post from an Islamic point of view, I think you need to study the Qur'an some more. I do believe that Jesus is mentioned in a positive way in the Qur'an.

Here's a quote:

Believe in all that was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received (2:136*)

While the people who follow Islam, Christianity, and Judiaism are different, the three share a surprising amount of similarities. So it's not that two of the three are wrong and one is supremely right, it's that all three are right, but one is interpreted more right than the others.

[Khang-pa]

Great article-- my only nitpick is it says "DMT is endogamous": it should read "endogenous" (lit. "created inside").

The understanding of these non-linear shamanic dream-time modes of experience is secondary to the experience. Those arguing about 'religion', dogma; quantum scalability... Go to a philosopher's forum, or drop your never-ending mental mastication and go experience some of this for yourself. When you begin to experience some levels of reality that contradict not only your adopted dogmas and "shoulds" but even your deepest assumptions about the way the universe works, what reality is, then blind faith becomes ludicrous. The key is to Experiment. In order to enter the space of true experimentation, first you must realize that YOU DON'T KNOW. Yes, I know you think you know. Realize that's what you think. In truth, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON. Open yourself, turn to face the Universe, and Ask.

[Dave Freeman]

To thank you Dan is to cheapen the gift - so in return i offer the following (http://www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/neurophone.htm)
Its just another little peripheral piece to consider thoughtfully. Also a recommended review of http://www.taroscopes.com/webstream/webstream_startpage.html
Specifically the origins of evil. A well crafted piece - again worth having on the minds shelf.

Most all the authors mentioned I have read. Terence is no exception. However, I sense he may have slipped down a path that - well lets say "confounded the wise". Perhaps not. I did not know the man personally. While I understand and have experienced the mushroom better tha most I offer the following which more than likely will not be seriously considered as it would involve setting aside no small amount of time but can answer most of the indirect questions picked from this article you obviously still have. www.cassiopaea.org Ancient history of the planet and how to get out alive is extreemly undervalued. It should cost manytimes as much as it does in my opinion. The Wave Series a must. Good luck to you Dan.

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[Phil]

Boy oh boy, ya know what? Jesus Christ, the historical guy was, at MOST, merely one of many self-proclaimed messiahs in a very troublesome time for the Jews, who were in the midst of yet another wave of oppression, this time from the Romans, who, in fact, didn't treat them all THAT bad, considering how bad it could have been. It isn't even CERTAIN the Jesus actually DID exist, seeing that some scholars suspect an amount of forging of records had gone on after the fact (I'm not too up on the details, I just know that this has been proposed). Then, long AFTER Jesus died, and after many years of elaboration of the Jesus MYTH (that he was some sort of "messiah," a concept that I do NOT accept) by members of the proto-"christian" gnostic CULT, this MYTH of "messiah-hood" was appropriated by Paul (and others, but mainly PAUL) and Christianity the religion was born. That is, NOT out of truth but through appropriation, elaboration, and manipulation, and just as much for political reasons as seemingly genuine "spiritual" ones. If Christianity had NOT been adopted as the official state religion of Rome, it would have died out. By adopting Christianity, Rome not only got a new lease on life, but Christianity latched onto the one world power that could have helped it survive to the next level. A short time later, this supposedly compassionate and beautiful "faith" became yet another ugly, ugly source of evil and destruction for many centuries, until it eventually settled down SOMEWHAT once the oppressive Catholic absolute dictatorship was ended. Today, it is a scattered mess that DOES have some worth, but NOT MUCH. Well, I suppose if you're a weak little worm or a total asshole, it might seem like a great thing to you, but to me it's USELESS and SUPERFLUOUS, like all other religions. Like ALL OTHER RELIGIONS, Christianity (and Islam, etc.) sprang up out of and largely due to socio-political turmoil. Just as a borderline scizophrenic will spontaneously produce visions in a moment of distress, any society at a moment of crisis naturally produces visionary experiences and self-professed "prophets" among the populace, and many of these types go on to form the basis of a religion. Like the scizophrenic's visions, these religions may help society, and the individuals within it, get through their moment of crisis and heal, but once healed they must LET GO OF THE VISION, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY HAVE GROWN ATTACHED TO IT! Hold onto your precious visions past their expiration date and you become either a shit-filled fundamentalist CULT (the state of all religions today) or a paranoid scizophrenic lunatic (the state of most followers of religion). Now, as for Islam, to those who tout THIS particular garbage heap as the "one true religion", I gotta say you really must be stupid. Sure, sure, maybe Mohammed, like Jesus (maybe, had a few good things to say, helped some people, and might be of some help to people even today (albeit the weakest, dumbest, neediest, most gullible ones), but in the end his powers and visions were very little different from those displayed by Edgar Cayce and other channeling weirdos of that ilk. These types ALWAYS have visions and insights and prophecies and sometimes they come true, but ANYONE who devotes themselves to this kind of mumbo-jumbo can manage some accurate predictions, and even I, a blaspheming hatrer of all religions, can manage some really spiritual sounding insights. Just lie down, clear your mind, and meditate upon any issue. Eventually, you will be spouting beautiful prophetic horseshit like a champion! When are you weak-minded DOLTS gonna wake up and get real? Go back to your supposed holy texts and use your MINDS for once. If it were not for the times in which they arose, all supposed holy texts would be mere artifacts of dead historical eras. If these things were divine, god-inspired works of perfect revelation THEY WOULD NOT BE SO DAMN FLAWED AND JUST PLAIN WEIRD AND PSYCHOTIC AND SO MANY FOLLOWERS OF THESE TEXTS WOULD NOT BE SUCH DANGEROUS LUNATICS! Fuck Jesus! Fuch Mohammed! Fuck God/Allah! Fuck Moses! Fuck the Bible, Koran, Torah, Bhagavad Gita, and everything else! Now, I admit that I DO actually see some orth in the spiritual viewpojnt and over the years feel I have actually had a few visionary experiences, many of which were vaguely similar to those claimed by many mystics, including Mr. Pinchdick, but I did it all without religion and WITHOUT DRUGS. I'm making no claims here, I'm just saying that if there is any greater truth beyond eat, drink, sleep, shit, piss, fuck, reproduce & die, then it's gonna be natural and mundane and embedded deep within all things, even the most mundane things. In fact, it's probably gonna be in the mundane ESPECIALLY, and it's not going to require reading psychotic texts, learning foreign languages, committing retarded rituals and prayers, ingesting dangerous mind twisting chemicals, or anything else that is bizarre, convoluted, and just plain stupid. If the greatest of all truths cannot be learned directly and from whatever lies before you RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND, then it is BULLSHIT, plain and simple. This is why I REJECT GOD and all manner of god belief/religion/superstition, because if the way to great truths requires us to take twisted, convoluted, and mumbo-jumbo strewn paths, then it is obviously corrupt and flawed. Like all cults - yes, CULTS - one of the first signs that you are being hoodwinked is the insistence that you must bow to strange, unnatural, and superfluous rules if you are to acgieve enlightenment. Voltaire, I believe it was, said "If God did not exist it would be necessary to invent him." To this I would add, "And even IF God exists, it would be necessary to REJECT Him." That is because God, and/or any other spiritual reality, is devious and manipulative and lords itself over us purely by virtue of the fact that it can hide itself away and trick us into believing anything. I don't care how strong your supposed faith is, there is always an equal or better chance that you have been fooled and are misguided. I refuse to accept this garbage as long as it is allowed to remain hidden and sneaky and precious. Now, I can see some sense in what Pinchdick is saying here, but in the end I will not follow him all the way. Just because someone has a few interesting points to make doesn't mean they truly KNOW ALL, or even anything at all. Lies and fictions can be very interesting and can even help us, provided we know when to let go, and that's what I see here - yet another guru to come down the pike asking us to believe his testimony and follow him into the shadows. You anti-ratioinalist, anti-materialist CHILDREN know NOTHING! EVERYTHING is "material". Do not mistake the fact that there are different levels or qualities to this material reality for evidence that something non-material exists. This is pure bullshit/superstition fit only for dirt worshipping primitives. If it is non-material it does NOT exist. Now, this material universe IS a strange and mysterious place in many ways, just NOT in the ways you THINK it is. Just HOW it is "strange" and "mysterious" is up to YOU to figure out... FOR YOURSELF! Maybe you like what Pinchdick has to say (if you do, five'll get you ten that you're under 35 and feel something of a loser, you're somewhat intelligent, just not intelligent enough to figure out how to be happy) and if you do, well, whatever. But I, for one, reject it. Yes, there are a few okay points here. HIs detractors here have a few good points, too. But, it just so happens that EVERY ONE OF YOU TRUE BELIEVERS ARE MISGUIDED FOOLS! I don't give a shit if you worship Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, Jung, or Pinchdick. Bottom line: grow up. Even if your mumbo-jumbo were true, whatever realms and entities behind it all are not to be trusted. Declare WAR upon your gods and prophets (and your own gullibility) before it is to late!

I apologize for my poor writing, disjointed thoughts, and typos, but not for anything else, because I really do think all religions and other "spiritual" seeming beliefs are lies or dangerously deceptive, to say the least, and I truly do feel that any and all prophets are to be rejected.

[Phil]

...And here's another thing. To you, the person who believes Islam is the one true religion who said something to the effect of how those not with the Islamic program would somehow suffer. I challenge your Allah and your false prophet (well, he's false to me, but I can accept that he could be "true" to others, but only in a subjective sense, in the same way some people feel some celebrity is a useful guide to life of some sort) Mohammed, I openly DEFY you and your religion! Belief in "sin" - the belief that certain human thoughts and behaviors are somehow dirty and sinful and require some oddball spiritual cleansing to be rid of - is one of the worst sources of pain and evil in this world ever invented. Sure, some things we do and think or say and so on DO, indeed, leave a deeper scar than others, sometimes in ways that we barely see on the surface, but that doesn't give them some spooky spiritual power. If there IS a "god" of some kind (keeping in mind that i reject any and all gods, whether they exist or not) and he truly DOES punish us - ANY ONE OF US, from me to my next door neighbor to Hitler to Ted Bundy - by sending us to everlasting torture in hell, or whatever it is you envision, as punishment for ANYTHING then this is solid proof of that god's unworthiness for any kind of respect or worship at all. Think about it, fool - Torture? For eternity? No god worth accepting would do that (and for me, even a god who would not do that isn't worth accepting). There is NOTHING a mere mortal could EVER do that would deserve such a punishment because being mortals we are incapable of such infinite evil. No infitely evil deeds, then no infinitely ongoing, totally unimaginable punishment. This is NOT justice, or anything like it, and if you believe it is then you are WRONG. These words of mine are the only proof required as there is no argument you could offer that would top it. And if this IS god's punsihment for we nasty "infidels" (to me, YOU and your kind are the only infidels... actually, I don't see you as an "infidel," per se, I see you more as being a childish fool) who reject the Koran and Allah and his supposed prophet then all the more reason to reject him. I do not accept injustice, even from a two-bit despot god, like your "Allah," whose last name I hear is "Bunchashit". As long as believers such as yourself go around rejecting other crappy religions in favor of their own, then you show just how worthless and ripe for rejection your professed belief system truly is. Islam, like Christianity and Judaism before it, has a certain cultural currency to it, and for those needy, disturbed individuals weak enough to need such things it might even have something to offer you as you stumble to your next ridiculous stage in life, but this is in no way proof that it has any objective validity. Just because it works for you - or even a few hundred million "you's" - does not guarantee that it is meaningful, or even slightly useful, for anyone else. In fact, I know far more people who have turned their lives around through buddhism (which is a psychology that makes a shoddy excuse for a religion, though that's hard to determine seeing as all other religions are pretty shoddy themselves) than through Islam. In fact, I can point to two friends who went crazy AFTER and DUE TO accepting Islam. Hey, and Islam sure has done a lot of good for the people of the Middle East, eh? Just look at the Pope's recent asshole comments. He quoted some idiot from the 13th century or whatever then, I guess to prove their religion was NOT "evil and inhumane", thousand of Muslims took to the streets and started smashing things, mnaking threats, and setting fires. Ah yes, the non-evil and human face of Islam (it's a religion of peace, you know). Like all other relgions (especially Christianity), Islam is an ugly wart on the human soul. The Koran is beautful, especially in Arabic? Well, so's Shakespeare in just about ANY language, so what am I gonna do - start worshipping that guy, too? Oh, what about those centuries of art and achievement? Hell, Islamic culture is not any better, intrinsically, than Chinese and Indian culture, does this validate the buddhism that you dislike? In the end, all of you jokers claiming superiority fdor whatever belief system you happen to adhere to are nothing but hypocrites who are no better, and in fact are absolutely IDENTICAL, with everyone who holds an opposing belief. Shit, I'll even GIVE you this one - the same reasoning makes ME no better than YOU!

Man, there is nothing I hate more than religion and the self-righteous idiocy it breeds, including my own, though my idiocy only comes into such clear view as it does here when I am provoked into speaking out against relgion. If there is ANY source of evil in this world, it is religion itself, not the lack of it!

[Cosmoz]

Excellent! I was introduced to Daniels work today, I am a neophyte shaman who has spent 10 years using DMT as a evolutionary agent.I have seen shamanism rebirthing itself in the western mind.The connection between the tryptamine trance and what is happening along the lines of the End of the Mayan Calendar are incredible.From my own expereinces, hyperspace is waiting for us, with the advent of Psy-Trance, we are able to dance ourselves into these spaces the Shamans were accessing thousands of years ago.
Something has choosen to express itself through creation on this planet, and it has choosen the Human nervous system to come to maturity and beyond.
Most of all as the truth unfolds we must remember to keep The tryptamine Trance Sacred.
the other day i found an anagram within my last name...De-eM-T SEER..There are alot of us out there now, and there is going to be alot more as we approach 2012...............peace
cosmoz

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[The unlearned should not speak]

Hi. If possible, imagine how difficult it would be for man to create these two things.

The year is 620 A.D.
Writes a book over the course of 23 years, that is coded with the number 19. (total number of chapters, words, etc.)
Makes a lot of it rhyme.
Makes it make sense.
Explains in this book how the universe is created.
Tells me how fast light travels.
How man is created, and in what order he acquires his senses.
Now find me a simple well, that 4 million people can drink out of every year, for 1400 years.
The well cannot run dry, and no algae can grow.
The water must smell like roses no matter how long you store it.
And then really think if a man on a camel made this up, just because he was oppressed. (which he wasn't, he belonged to a strong tribe and his wife was wealthy)
Those two things are The Qur'an and the Well of ZamZam. Good luck finding someone to reproduce these things.

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